tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post3221098057292262186..comments2024-03-26T11:07:03.496-04:00Comments on Ed Notes Online: MORE in the Media Plus Some Analysised notes onlinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-42849393048768954852013-04-08T01:04:21.707-04:002013-04-08T01:04:21.707-04:00Sorry if I misunderstood what looked like a snarky...Sorry if I misunderstood what looked like a snarky comment about a meeting a decade ago. ICE and TJC were never one organization and only worked together for elections and then not even worked together other than in the most rudimentary manner. One day you can read the history of opposition movement in the UFT from my own little narrow perspective. Somewhere on the sidebar I have part one of the story.<br />TJC disbanded when MORE went live while ICE has not and meets occasionally. While the genesis of MORE was based on each active group connected to teacher movements sending 2 people to regular pre-MORE meetings, there was a decision to end that practice and instead of an unwieldy coalition of groups MORE would be a membership organization of individuals. Some ICE people were not interested in MORE or any new caucus and keeping ICE going allows them to participate in the discussions ICE does hold now and again. Given that both ICE and TJC had to go out of business as caucuses this was not a light decision. For the other groups -- GEM, NYCORE, CAPE -- they can continue working in whatever format suits them as does ICE now with the aim of funneling UFT work through MORE. But MORE can also funnel high stakes testing work through the Change the Stakes committee of GEM which MORE people work with too. With James maintaining the ICE blog it gives him and other ICEers a voice that might get drowned out in MORE given that MORE seems to have attracted a lot more people than ICE did (I can't speak for TJC). And of course there are differences of opinion on some issues inside MORE and that is an ongoing process. As long as all voices are heard and decisions made after open debate we can live with that. It is groups like Unity, New Action, E4E where differing opinions are suppressed that creates a sort of black hole.ed notes onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-40836338429350542692013-04-07T15:55:47.246-04:002013-04-07T15:55:47.246-04:00Correction, all Unity wants is to keep their gravy...Correction, all Unity wants is to keep their gravy train rolling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-60449929256708391822013-04-07T15:42:49.620-04:002013-04-07T15:42:49.620-04:00Norm, i am interested in the history and the shade...Norm, i am interested in the history and the shades of diff between the various oppositions. You rather snarkily chastised me last week for conflating ice and tjc, but Im hardly alone in my penchant for lumping them all together.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-87136613441487941622013-04-07T10:08:15.973-04:002013-04-07T10:08:15.973-04:00Thanks for staying the course. ICE played a valuab...Thanks for staying the course. ICE played a valuable role but with its overload of retirees and inability to attract the newer generation of teachers, it was clear that it was fading. And besides, its non-caucus spinoff, GEM, which accomplished so much in a short time, took energy away from union work. I intend to write about the roots and genesis of MORE as a caution that it could face the same issues ICE (and TJC) did if it doesn't pay attention to organization building, which ICE never did. But you know youth. Sometimes you can talk until you know longer can and maybe they will have to go through the same trials. That is what I meant when I said I don't have much influence in that sense --- I think there is sometimes a "there he goes again, lecturing." I don't believe in the turn and talk and "let's break into small groups" concept. Which is why I still find the occasional ICE meetings so rewarding. ed notes onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-87827050544953711622013-04-07T08:47:55.637-04:002013-04-07T08:47:55.637-04:00I don't care that MORE is comprised of many of...I don't care that MORE is comprised of many of the same faces as ICE. You know why? Because I voted for ICE in the last election! I warned all the teachers at my school that they needed to vote for ICE in 2009 because UNITY would be selling us out. And they did. Do you feel more or less secure in your teaching job since 2009? If not, then vote for MORE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-24727194581351897702013-04-06T20:20:28.593-04:002013-04-06T20:20:28.593-04:00Well, you're fooling me and everyone I work wi...Well, you're fooling me and everyone I work with (who are voting for the first time..for MORE)! Congrats!! <br />I hope you continue to fool me! I'd be interested in experiencing the things a real strong union can do.NYCDOEnutshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10692665524124012171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-85208006984723727622013-04-06T16:47:10.007-04:002013-04-06T16:47:10.007-04:00Please stop going to issues and focus on character...Please stop going to issues and focus on character assassination. We are accustomed, when amongst ourselves, to talk about how you stink, how Eterno stinks, and so forth. We don't much like it when you answer. So from now on, we'd like for you all to also focus on how much you stink and stop telling us that we stink. We don't know how to respond to that. So let's please discuss why you are so awful, how awful you are, and things like that. And if there is to be name-calling, we'd like to do it, and again, we don't like it when you defend yourselves. If we wanted to engage in discussion, we'd just debate you. All we want is to be understood. Thanks.Raving Lunaticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-11259842218076240832013-04-06T16:16:44.275-04:002013-04-06T16:16:44.275-04:00I should know not to take you seriously but let me...I should know not to take you seriously but let me ask why do I give a shit about hiding my role? Everyone knows Julie is a leader and is listened to by all, most of all by me. <br />We all begged her to run even with a new baby because she is the bomb.<br />The 4 of us certainly play a role but everyone can see who is running MORE and it ain't us though I would say Kit has some influence as does James. There is so little of ICE and TJC in MORE and that is as it should be given that we didn't get it done. I think the next gen view us as having failed to build something and in many ways they are right. <br /><br />Really, no one listens to me and if they did you would see a greater attack on Unity as Vichy but they don't believe me and actually think there are times for common ground with the Unity slugs. I'm a senior advisor and do the scut work like picking up leaflets from the printer and doing the petitions. No thinking involved. And I'm perfectly happy to not have to worry about that crap anymore. <br />Free at last! and free to use ed notes as a bludgeon the way I want without having to ask people if it is OK. <br /><br />That is why New Action made a mistake in distorting the truth and attacking people who actually had some respect for Jonathan. They might have found ways to make their little shitty inroads by preying on the newer MOREs liberal tendencies. Now I think not -- they did my job for me. Thanks Jonathan.<br />ed notes onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-31358705689240494732013-04-06T12:50:14.516-04:002013-04-06T12:50:14.516-04:00You can say what you want about More being differe...You can say what you want about More being different than ICE-TJC or whatever. Bottomline everyone knows that MORE is exactly the same opposition. Same faces different brand name. All roads lead to Norman Scott, Kit Wainer, and the Eterno family.<br /><br />You are not fooling anyone with the new kids on the block. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com