tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post2505275167681914036..comments2024-03-26T11:07:03.496-04:00Comments on Ed Notes Online: The Take Away from ATR Event: Those who want to share knowledge are denieded notes onlinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-33181956860839513872016-11-24T09:47:10.694-05:002016-11-24T09:47:10.694-05:00LOL! I enjoyed this tête-à-tête. LOL! I enjoyed this tête-à-tête. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-77389222257168868632016-11-24T09:41:43.524-05:002016-11-24T09:41:43.524-05:00And despite these therapy sessions for you I won&#...And despite these therapy sessions for you I won't send you a bill.ed notes onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-56741409181550844772016-11-24T08:00:40.984-05:002016-11-24T08:00:40.984-05:00That's called an assumption, not an implicatio...That's called an assumption, not an implication. Have a nice Thanksgiving, Dr. Norm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-36053185857699594692016-11-23T23:16:42.441-05:002016-11-23T23:16:42.441-05:00Not consciously but I read between the lines. Not consciously but I read between the lines. ed notes onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-5058919188123674172016-11-23T22:09:06.693-05:002016-11-23T22:09:06.693-05:00I never implied any of that. Peace to you.I never implied any of that. Peace to you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-68738647294541640262016-11-23T22:01:45.645-05:002016-11-23T22:01:45.645-05:00"We know what happened the vast majority of t..."We know what happened the vast majority of them". Why don't you tell us what happened to a majority of them? Every comment is a gripe about something. I don't care if you don't go to the meeting but you imply people who did go were risking their lives or wasting their time. I'm retired so giving up a day is meaningless but for those people to give up a Saturday is not to be taken lightly. I appreciate that they did so and I left with even more respect for the plight of ATRs. It's defeatist attitudes that doom people. ed notes onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-63801773778113764102016-11-23T21:54:36.044-05:002016-11-23T21:54:36.044-05:00I'm not getting screwed by anyone. I'm not...I'm not getting screwed by anyone. I'm not griping and I don't need help from you or anyone else, which is why I didn't go to the meeting. Stick with those acting classes, you're almost believable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-22260435701511404492016-11-23T21:39:06.006-05:002016-11-23T21:39:06.006-05:00You're not just responding but lecturing about...You're not just responding but lecturing about how you are getting screwed by everyone. Best to do nothing - like my oh my what a risk those 40 people took on Saturday - they sacrificed their livelihood and families. How dramatic.<br />ed notes onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-32524237428141866432016-11-23T21:33:03.080-05:002016-11-23T21:33:03.080-05:00All of them but James went through a 3020a. James ...All of them but James went through a 3020a. James ran for UFT president. I'm not griping. I'm responding to you're comments. Happy Thanksgiving and try to follow your own advice about lecturing others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-9417070770973779942016-11-23T21:22:43.983-05:002016-11-23T21:22:43.983-05:00Peter zucker, Chaz, Portelos, eterno -- they don&#...Peter zucker, Chaz, Portelos, eterno -- they don't seem to be afraid. Your silence begs the UFT to screw you. And by the way - many of us when we were working stood up consistently and publicly throughout our careers despite threats and intimidation from both the union and the BOE so dont' go lecturing me on what being brave is all about. Just go on griping. <br />ed notes onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-2386217075818928462016-11-23T20:16:36.385-05:002016-11-23T20:16:36.385-05:00We know what happened the vast majority of them. I...We know what happened the vast majority of them. I have no wish to sacrifice my livelihood and family's well being for a group that was artificially created group. It's easy to be brave when you're retired.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-71316436879523347492016-11-23T19:18:01.681-05:002016-11-23T19:18:01.681-05:00Start by not being anonymous and standing up. You ...Start by not being anonymous and standing up. You know there were actually Jews in history who proudly stood up despite the risks. ed notes onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-62156094032719209382016-11-23T15:15:04.070-05:002016-11-23T15:15:04.070-05:00So the role of a union is to discriminate and coll...So the role of a union is to discriminate and collude against a segment of their members and if those members don't unite and fight the entity that they pay to protect them, it's that group's fault? Or that individual ATR's fault? Under that logic it was the Jews fault for the Holocaust. I don't believe that, do you? How do you get a couple of thousand passive intellectuals to fight en masse? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-23713334497274749172016-11-23T14:44:57.793-05:002016-11-23T14:44:57.793-05:00So when they put you a high school teacher in a ki...So when they put you a high school teacher in a kindergarten just stay quiet and suffer. The point of this meeting was to try to help ATRs make the best of a bad situation. That is not to say don't fight the power - which it would take an organization to do. The UFT will not address the problems until hundreds of ATRs are willing to stand up publicly and fight. Call in complaints about bad supervisors - force the UFT to call for them to be removed. The UFT has allowed this for so many others too - not just ATRS -- in entire schools with bully principals - so when you think it is only your group that is under assault you play into the game. When there are hundreds of ATRS marching on the UFT they will start to do something - until then nada -- if you don't understand that they will respond like any other political entity not because it is the right thing to do. "why is the UFT allowing this" when the answer is because you let them.ed notes onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-55809200439476885012016-11-23T14:13:36.051-05:002016-11-23T14:13:36.051-05:00You are delusional. ATRs have jobs and get paid. U...You are delusional. ATRs have jobs and get paid. Under vouchers you will wish you were an ATR. And why do you think you deserve the best just because you are a teacher? 40 ATRs who came out to get info that will get then through the job is better than whining. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-25415425106933673012016-11-23T14:11:06.173-05:002016-11-23T14:11:06.173-05:00You asked an essential question there, "If th...You asked an essential question there, "If the DOE considers them throwaways why are they spending so much money on hiring people to supervise what is essentially a sub?" We know the reason of course. We do, but many don't. It's not supervision, it's paid systematic harassment under the best or worst circumstances. The DOE wants us out. A deeper question is, why is the UFT allowing this? That two people, Amy and Mike take care of individual problems for ATRs is minor. Amy and Mike should take care of real problems. This is a real problem, that the UFT is not addressing. So no, I do not believe Amy and Mike are advocates for ATRs, nor do I believe they are representive of real unionism - they do what they are told for a check - ethics be damned. I would refuse to be part of that type of discrimination against fellow UFT members, especially under the rationale that I was helping. It is furthering a charade. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-91226281639178843172016-11-23T13:11:56.043-05:002016-11-23T13:11:56.043-05:00I did not attend because I now believe we ALL are ...I did not attend because I now believe we ALL are ATRs living in a world of a new world president in the name of trump. I truly hope our livelihoods are preserved as we indeed deserve the best as nyc educators are the best in the world. Midget mike use to say the NYPD is the best in the world but would never say that about nyc teachers because we don't protect his midget ass the way the NYPD use to. However, nyc educators are the best in the world and we deserve the best. EVERYONE now is an ATR. 40 PEOPLE at the meeting and we are happy?? There are now 75000 ATRs people as EVERYONE will now know what it feels like to be an ATR.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com