tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post2515406702640959443..comments2024-03-26T11:07:03.496-04:00Comments on Ed Notes Online: UFT Election 2016 Advice: Ignore the Retiree Voteed notes onlinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-69555040876936381502015-08-22T09:01:38.757-04:002015-08-22T09:01:38.757-04:00I'm a retiree and have not been happy with Uni...I'm a retiree and have not been happy with Unity as were the many retirees in ICE. MORE got over a 1000 votes last time and New Action over a thousand. Unity got 19000. Check how many retiree votes you get in the election. ed notes onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-2775244165560523672015-08-22T02:11:56.783-04:002015-08-22T02:11:56.783-04:00We are actually get calls and are having conversat...We are actually get calls and are having conversations where retirees are telling us they ARE NOT happy with Unity. Francesco Porteloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03249197982072281997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-89434482454158851682015-08-18T11:14:47.047-04:002015-08-18T11:14:47.047-04:00I recently ran into a retired member. Seemingly sm...I recently ran into a retired member. Seemingly smart well read guy. Retired maybe 8 years ago. Had NO CLUE how bad it is for active teachers. Says he goes to Teacher Center all the time and thought Unity was doing right by active membersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-70246805533113451792015-08-18T06:30:51.503-04:002015-08-18T06:30:51.503-04:00I get it, Norm. More than 10 years ago there was ...I get it, Norm. More than 10 years ago there was a chapter leader I would speak with at district meetings. When she retired she got a mentor job and arrived at my school one day for a meeting. She praised the UFT for all they do for retirees and tried to convince me that I shouldn't be so harsh on UFT Leadership---that I would see the light when I retired. My response then is the same now: Teachers shouldn't have to tolerate complete and utter neglect from their union for 25 or 30 years before they come to the attention of UFT leadership in retirement. Of course this conversation was back when teachers were confident they could make it to retirement under tier IV. That promise of reaching the wonderful world of UFT retirement is waning fast for our younger members. The retired mentor had a tier 1 pension and like all retirees would not be subjected to the era of teacher abuse we are working under now. UFT leadership doesn't earn my approval by being good to retirees because that's what they are supposed to do. They're also supposed to look out for the rest of us but have failed us miserably. I could also argue that Unity led UFT has been quick to accept lesser tiers for our newer members so they've already sold out the retirees of the future. But I suppose as long as Unity ensures that the working conditions of active members continues to worsen, a tier 10 retiree will still feel they are better off. You made your point clearly and it's a point I agree with. The active working membership must awaken and demand better for anything to change and it's the burden of like minded individuals to network in their schools and get that message across. Roseanne McCoshAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-18481718793696997732015-08-17T14:16:10.848-04:002015-08-17T14:16:10.848-04:00I keep trying to make the point - unsuccessfully -...I keep trying to make the point - unsuccessfully - that Unity is NOT Harming retirees at all - and is in fact benefits retirees in many ways. Other than the most astute and aware politically who give a crap about what is going on, most are very glad to be free of having to deal with this. My colleagues from my school who are with me when we were working have no interest now and don't even vote or pay attention. It is the Unity people who still care about the caucus and do not agree UNity is harming them all- just read the comments from Unity people - they believe that stuff. ed notes onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-19189899690899077342015-08-17T13:57:27.053-04:002015-08-17T13:57:27.053-04:00Maybe a campaign by all active members to reach ou...Maybe a campaign by all active members to reach out to retired members to inform them how Unity I'd harming all?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-78336746153445408692015-08-17T12:48:38.858-04:002015-08-17T12:48:38.858-04:00These were Unity led strikes - and built loyalty t...These were Unity led strikes - and built loyalty to Unity -- You must understand the mind of Unity people - they think they are doing a great job. They don't see UFT capitulation but buy the cooperation line - they are indocrtinated - and as I pointed out a great number of retirees are former and current Unity people - they even have 300 Unity retirees in the DA. And these people are organizers for Unity in the retirement communities.<br />ed notes onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-45371492095341036882015-08-17T12:43:11.651-04:002015-08-17T12:43:11.651-04:00How many of these retirees went on strike in 1968 ...How many of these retirees went on strike in 1968 and 1975? Dang, they should give a damn about what is happening to us in 2015. They should be angry at the capitulation of the UFT the last 15-20 years. <br /><br />A since deceased friend of the family who went out on strike both times would say to me every time he saw me, "you schmucks have given back everything we fought for." He's right and the retirees wrong. Pete Zuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16708676684946013529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-45487588819459383242015-08-17T12:17:06.555-04:002015-08-17T12:17:06.555-04:00I think you are missing the point. Retirees are ou...I think you are missing the point. Retirees are out of the system and don't have the same concerns as working teachers - do the really give a damn on the whole about you getting a raise or your working conditions? Only the most politically conscious do - and they don't have to be won over.<br />Unity has a massive block of retirees who vote - probably 15000 - or more. Retirees want their pensions assured - and trust me - Unity will go to the mat on that issue while letting all of you sink.<br />And Unity might give you access to all 60,000 retirees with their addresses - what will you do with that? Spend enormous money to send them a flier as to why they should vote for the opposition which they may see as putting their energies into defending working teachers? They are only voting at a higher percentage than active people because active people don't give enough of a crap.<br />Any opposition caucus must win over active teachers - You mean you want to win an election with retirees like Unity and have them rule over the contract? How is that better than Unity?<br />This isn't about winning power in a vacuum - it is about filling the vacuum.<br />I want to openly run on a platform that retirees votes in the election should be limited - not a popular choice amongst retirees I would bet -- but the right thing to do.<br />ed notes onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-63838864996284492562015-08-17T11:22:47.464-04:002015-08-17T11:22:47.464-04:00If the retirees get to vote, then all cacuses shou...If the retirees get to vote, then all cacuses should have equal access to reach out to them. New Action filed a PERB complaint for access to the info, but it was denied from the stand point that retirees are not covered under the Taylor Law. This gives Unity a tremendous advantage. I completely disagree with you concerning the retiree vote. They are voting at a higher percentage than active members. If you focused only on the retirees, (assuming you could get access to their data), and won them over - you wouldn't even need the apathetic active members. This is part of the strategy Unity has been using and winning with for years. The work you are doing is important, but ignoring the retirees will make it all for naught.Bronx ATRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08787717237141454628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33431390.post-52428744107917887612015-08-17T09:39:36.140-04:002015-08-17T09:39:36.140-04:00Hey, our courses are now $10!!!! We should not be...Hey, our courses are now $10!!!! We should not be allowed to vote but we still are paying dues.Pissedoffteacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07924089808582137198noreply@blogger.com