WTF --
A Delegate argues that the contract is not the right place for lower class sizes. We have a committee to negotiate. Class size should not be there in contract negotiations ... Double WTF
Above reported by Eterno LIVE BLOGGING FROM NOVEMBER DA (Mostly unedited).
Undoubtably a Unity Caucus delegate who seems clueless that we ACTUALLY HAVE NEGOTIATED CLASS SIZE LIMITS IN THE CONTRACT.
Thank goodness there was some sanity in the house -
A chapter leader speaks in favor of the amendment because it allows
chapter leaders to enforce class sizes through the grievance process. I've been making this point:
Should UFT staffers and other Unity hacks be called out as speaking for the leadership, not the membership at DAs? They may be elected delegates in their schools but they are working for the leadership, not the people they were elected to rep.
So, Hell yes - people making way more money than even the highest paid member should be held publicly accountable. I was so glad to see Daniel Alicea call out Unity hack non-elected District Rep Bill (Ruff Ruff) Woodruff at the Nov. 17 DA for calling the question.
What a yummy Delegate Assembly Nov. 17 was. I didn't even need to eat dinner that night. There's lots to report and I will need a few blog posts over the next few days to do it all.
This was a big victory as people on the phone voted overwhelmingly for putting class size as a contract demand, vehemently opposed by the leadership, as you can see above in Arthur's report. As Unity tries to pack in person meetings, you can see a divide where in person overwhelmingly opposed the contract amendment. Remote is a problem for the leadership since they can't see how people vote - and I bet a bunch of anon Unity people voted for the amendment.[UFT VP Elementary schools] Karen Alford--Supports reso to strengthen commitment to lower class size and hold DOE responsible. Can't wait. Thinks about days in overcrowded schools and classrooms, and how impossible it was to teach. We need to recognize public health challenge and look through this lens. We will make children safer. 84% could do this now. We know there are infrastructure and covid relief dollars. We don't want to trade pay for class size and we must seize this opportunity.
Ryan Bockenthal--Very much in favor, Moves to amend. Adds resolved--We wll follow up with actions, support related state legislation, prioritize in collective bargaining, go to court if necessary. We have power and showed it by mobilizing toward strike.
Loretta Tamborello--Rises in opposition. As we said, negotiation for contract not right place. Trying to make difference using health code. We are forming committee. Will drive us. Class size action now as we're doing. Should not be contract negotiaton.
Farah Alexander--Teachers overworked, overextended, at capacity. We want this now, before contract, don't want it mandatory item.
Ali ?--In favor of amendment. Empowers CLs to enforce this. Can make it school issue. Policies meaningless until enforced.
Shane McAndrew--Opposes. We have health crisis, must lower class sizes, social-emotional crisis too. Smaller class sizes will help teachers support students better. Legislative process removes pressure at bargaining table. We have our voice if it's immortalized in law. Pols will have to raise them.
Matt Driscoll--In favor of amendment. Not in conflict with reso. Just adds to it.
Jennifer Brown--Important to fight for reduction at all levels, contractually and beforehand.
Bill Woodruff--Calls question.
Point of order--Important issue. Is delegate that just asked that on union payroll?
Mulgrew--He is elected delegate.
Woodruff?--Audibly angry, argues you'd deny members their right to be represented.
Mulgrew--We are teacher union in largest district with greatest challenges. Please bear that in mind and be respectful toward one another. Question called. Seconded.
Vote to end debate.
82% yes online. Debate closed.
Amendment--
61% yes online. Amendment passes, but....
Mulgrew calls people to stand who are for amendment. They are counted. Audible debate as sections are measured. Has no votes stand, section by section. Mulgrew says we try to avoid this because we get through fewer resolutions.
Amendment passes.
Anti amendment speakers Loretta Tamborello, Farah Alexander are Unity Caucus and Shane McAndrew was associated with E4E which no matter their rhetoric, go along with Ed Deform attacks on class size as an issue. Watch some alliances between E4E and Unity in this election, even the possibility E4E runs its own slate as a Unity stalking horse to undermine United for Change.
One of my pal bloggers took up the issue:
DOENUTS Blog: But Why Are Paid Employees Trying To End Debate
A Delegate on the phone says lower class sizes are important contractually or through other means.A Delegate calls the question on all matters before the house.Point of Order: This is an important issue asking if the person who spoke previously was on the union payroll. Delegate responds that he is elected and insulted that someone asked this.A closer look into what the heck happened revels this:
Then, it starts to get crazy when DR William Woodruff calls the question to get a vote on ending the debate. Independent Delegate Daniel Alicea [(here)] shouts for a point of order on whether the person calling for the end of debate on this fundamental issue is on the UFT payroll. Woodruff is on the payroll and makes close to $200,000 per annum as a District Rep so it is a valid question if he represents his employer (the UFT) or the members in the school where he works one period a day. .....
DOENUTS' reporting is important, bur not to bury the lede of this DA:
The most important event connected to the Nov. 17 UFT Delegate Assembly was the announcement of a united slate for the spring UFT elections -
Jonathan has the press advisory - United for Change / UFT. I reported the morning of the DA as the announcement was made. United Slate Announced, Predictions for (Nov. 17) UFT Delegate Assembly -Class Size Issue - Enforcement, Enforcement, Enforcement.
I've always supported a united front of all groups for UFT elections since I got involved in the 70s. Generally, the caucuses I've worked with have also backed united fronts and I have always argued to either run together or don't run. That was my position when I was with MORE and when they did the opposite in the 2019 election I separated. Good to see they are on board this time.
But to me the more important issue has been the level of cooperation between all elements of the opposition at the Sept. CL and Oct and Nov DA's -- more on this - the first time I've seen some of this at DAs since the early 70s.
More background here:
- Class Size and Healthcare Inside/Outside Action at...
- EONYC Challenge: Can Class Size Issues Wake up a s...
And other reporting on what turned out to be a packed DA:
James' commentary: VOTES DON'T GO UNITY'S WAY AT DELEGATE ASSEMBLY; M...
UFT staffers dominating the DA is anti-democratic, as is shutting out opposition retirees from being delegates
Now, let's get back to the issue of UFT/Unity people on the union dole occupying major spaces at the Delegate Assembly, which was so blatantly obvious on Wednesday.For the record, a group of retirees were huddled together outside listening to the DA with some mild amplification through a bull horn - we are old and the UFT leadership opposes medicare for all which would pay for our hearing aids. In addition, the 19th floor, where we usually watch the DA, was closed. And despite Retiree Advocate winning 30% of the vote in last spring's chapter election - roughly 7000 disenfranchised voters -we have NO representation at the DA as Unity takes winner take all for all retiree 300 delegates. This is dues taxation without representation. For the record, before the election we asked for at the very least some token representation at the DA for 5 out of 300 and Unity said NO.
Apparently this unnerved Mulgrew enough to interrupt a great speech by Daniel Alicea on why mayoral control has been so bad and Mulgrew stopped the DA and threatened to shut it down entirely because there are supposed rules about broadcasting the DA outside the building, an LOL moment since they were broadcasting outside the building to thousands of delegates.
Daniel posted DOENUTS on his EONYC FB page and got this response from our old pal Leo Casey:
“With all due respect, this is an anti-democratic argument. Every delegate in the Delegate Assembly is elected by the members in their school, and every delegate has the same rights to speak and to make motions in the body. This is an argument that "I have the right to silence you" and to disenfranchise the members in your school if you are in a different caucus from me. If you don't like what a delegate says, get up and make your own speech; if you don't like a motion that a delegate makes, vote against it. That's how a democracy works.......the objection is that the delegate (derided as union bureaucrat) doesn’t vote the ‘right way’ representing the ‘interests’ of the members the way that the interlocutor knows they should be represented, and so therefore, must be an anti-democratic presence in the DA. And the delegate who votes the ‘right way’ (Markens) is exempt from this stricture. What I simply end with is that a conception of democracy which can’t imagine being legitimately on the losing end of votes and elections is not a conception of democracy that I can support.
Daniel responded:
Markens is not truly analogous as being duly elected into both his positions,imo. And the lone example in 60 years. Hard to question his legitimacy.
For the record as penned by James Eterno in 2016:“Bruce was DR for a decade. When Bruce retired, Manhattan High Schools had the nerve to vote in another non-Unity representative Tom Dromgoole. Unity's response was to change the rules to make district representatives a position appointed by the UFT President.”
22 comments:
Please don't act like the UFC can't win every person who hears that loses their hope and becomes resigned to a lifetime of miserable servitude under mulgrew
Read the report. Seemed a little childish. Just tell the story. Keep the snide comments to yourself. You don’t hear anyone coming up with nicknames for Norm Scott after he crossed the picket line in 1968.
Oh, y’all didn’t know?? Norm Scott crossed the picket line in 1968.
Poor ruff ruff. Feelings hurt? By the way. I was on strike on picket lines in 67, 68 and 75. You were in diapers.
You were on the picket line in ‘68…until you crossed it.
No need to explain. We already know.
I suppose you were in fact on picket lines…until you crossed it. In 1968.
One of my many observations as a former ATR and visiting 85 high schools in Manhattan over the course of two years, most UFT chapters are not active and a vast majority of UFT members probably don't even know about the Unity caucus. Has this changed?
Hi Tom. It’s probably much worse. Unity and Uft used to have some competence but now often seem inept. Much like the Dem Party which they echo.
Lamar, Norm went on strike in 1968. Where do you get your misinformation from?
68 was a long one, Norm, as you well know. One could have been on picket line for months and still crossed over at some late date. Did you stay the course to the end?
what a load of horseshit -- I was totally unconscious at the time and went to play basketball every day.
My school was closed down by the principal and we didn't even need a picket line.
Wait - are you looking at naked photos of myself as a youngster?
The picket line in 68? Was 68 even a legit working class strike? Or was it a weird unity concocted anti-integration strike?
At the time I thought it was a legit strike. Then when I learned more in the 70s I saw it as strictly an anti-community control strike. Then upon further reflection and reading saw aspects of both sides. Some union rights definitely violated but do you strike over that? Who was behind community control? Certainly some corporate funded anti-union forces> Had the UFT gotten too big for its britches and had to be cut down? Maybe yes and maybe no. Why the episode and aftermant make such an interesting study.
WTF.. local boards were removing Jewish teachers. Violating tenure and seniority and due process. What is ambiguous about that?
See, that comment about 68 is why we can't have communists in our union. Was it a true working class strike? Typical communist jargon and revision. The 68 strike was about the most fundamental rights, namely seniority and job protection. It wasn't Unity concocted. Keep it up. Unity will wipe the floor with you again.
You mean one local board trying to transfer 19 teachers whole hiring hundreds, many of whom were Jewish --left leaning Jews - but I guess they don't count.
Ok. I'm not an expert, but if you violate seniority rights for even one teacher, the whole structure collapses. We either have the right or we don't. So, casting aside 3 teachers and hiring 30 is still unacceptable. Tomorrow, the 30 can be booted out.
Since when did Lamar Hughes turn heel and become an internet troll? He's not particularly good at it and I don't like the new look. I guess Unity made him do it?
Really? Did you ever hear of ATRs for past 16 years? And Randi gave away seniority rights. And the Uft never defended people discontinued. Or tenure becomes 5 years. Etc etc etc. file a grievance and go to court. Don’t close down schools for 3 months. Those people were targeted for a reason. Many were political acting to undermine community control. That was what the strike was really about. But I also have sone issues with that brand too and in a rational world needed to be worked out. There was anti semitism but also anti black on other side. Shanker power play a factor. Used incidents of anti Semitic actions to divide and inflame city not calm it. Cemented him in power and appealed to racists nation wide.
So, the teachers weren't going to be fired? They were going to be reassigned elsewhere in the system? That does argue that the fight might better have been fought in court.
Rhody McCoy mistakenly used the word fired which meant fired from district. Doe offered transfers but Shanker told them to refuse so he could make it a political issue. They were not brought up on charges of incompetence. No hearings etc. examining details exposes political struggle on both sides. No one innocent but Shanker has a lot to answer for. Strike was sourcebof woofy Allen line in sleeper. Uft lost all support from liberal community and moved to the right.
Bullshit - Your anti-commie union leadership has helped the DOE violate job protection every day. Randi killed seniority rights in the 2005 contract. But you are the scum Unity tries to hide under a rock and not succeeding.
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