Monday, April 6, 2020

Biden-Linked Firm Tests Messages to Undercut ‘Medicare for All’ - Bloomberg News

The survey, commissioned by the centrist Democratic think tank Third Way, found that primary voters start off favoring the government-run health care system by a margin of 70% to 21%, but can be persuaded to oppose it. The study showed that Democrats are most swayed by the arguments that the program would impose a heavy cost on taxpayers and threaten Medicare for senior citizens....
There you go with where Biden and the people in control of the Dem Party are at - even if 70% support M4A the goal is to manipulate then into changing their minds. Whose interest does this serve? If it's not obvious to you, check the profits of those making bundles of cash out of our medical system. And Biden's insistence on attacking medicare for all  - he is not talking about the costs over the past two weeks because that looks so lame -- so he talks about Italy - and let me point out that Italy was overwhelmed due to the massive influx but it has a better health care system than we do - in fact most advanced countries do - but it was the delay by the government in Italy - not the health care system.

Fundamentally Trump and Biden support our system and Bernie does not. How many hospitals have been closed in nyc alone? There are so many private urgent care in my neighborhood all competing for profit. Bernie didn’t win enough people over but the pandemic is doing it for him. People in Italy don’t have to worry about getting medical bills while here people will. E slaughtered as hospitals try to get money out of people with no money. The irony is that hospitals are actually cutting staff in some cases. Bernie in retrospect didn’t go far enough. We need nationalizatiion of certain aspects of our health care system. The supply chain issue where China controls 90% is due to policies of Clinton bush Obama/Biden. Trump in his own asshole way challenged these ideas and got elected by exploding them. So in these times our guy Biden will be one of the main proponents of a system that has screwed us all. I will vote for him but if he wins I have no faith he can solve this. Hopefully we and our pensions survive until 2024 when we get another shot.

Also see: https://nypost.com/2020/04/03/joe-biden-again-rejects-medicare-for-all-despite-coronavirus-crisis/

Biden-Linked Firm Tests Messages to Undercut ‘Medicare for All’

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  • Candidates split on system that abolishes private insurance
  • Claims about cost seen as most effective with voters
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-23/biden-linked-firm-tests-messages-to-undercut-medicare-for-all



A new poll by a firm linked to Joe Biden is testing messages designed to undercut support among Democrats for Medicare for All, one of the most contentious issues splitting the party’s top presidential contenders.
The survey, commissioned by the centrist Democratic think tank Third Way, found that primary voters start off favoring the government-run health care system by a margin of 70% to 21%, but can be persuaded to oppose it. The study showed that Democrats are most swayed by the arguments that the program would impose a heavy cost on taxpayers and threaten Medicare for senior citizens.

The poll was conducted by Lisa Grove of Anzalone Liszt Grove Research. Her partner, John Anzalone, is the chief pollster and an adviser to Biden, who opposes Medicare for All and wants to make government-run insurance optional.

Biden’s main rivals, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, support Medicare for All, which would eliminate private insurance and create a system modeled on Medicare that automatically covers all Americans.


Sanders took aim at the survey and some of the arguments it is designed to test. “It is unfortunate but not surprising that Vice President Biden’s polling firm is helping distort what Medicare for All is about,” he said in a statement. Any tax increases would be used to eliminate costs for people seeking health care, Sanders said.

The survey found that Democrats are most swayed to oppose Medicare for All when told it would cost American taxpayers $3.2 trillion per year: 51% of Democratic primary voters said they found that argument convincing, while 43% said they did not.

The poll also found that 51% of Democratic voters said the argument that it would “end Medicare as we know it” was convincing, while 53% said the claim that it would lower quality of care for seniors was convincing. And 51% said the argument that Medicare for All could expand wait times and limit access to medical specialists was convincing.

QuickTake: What ‘Medicare for All’ Means for U.S. Health Care

Sanders, the author of a Medicare for All bill pending in Congress, has been upfront about the high cost but he and Warren have both argued that most Americans would come out financially ahead because their health care costs would drop. They argue that a single insurance plan would be the most cost-effective way to care for all Americans, while allowing everyone to see their provider of choice.

Notably, Democratic voters in the ALG Research survey were less swayed by the fear of losing private employer-based coverage — 45% said that argument was convincing while 49% said it was not.

The study conducted last month surveyed 813 Democratic primary voters in the election as part of an overall sample of 1,800 likely voters. It found that most general election voters also start off favoring Medicare for All but that support diminishes once they hear arguments against it.

Jim Kessler, Third Way’s executive vice president for policy, said the poll shows that President Donald “Trump is deeply underwater on health care and the only lifeline that could pull him to shore is Medicare for All.”
The messages tested in the poll echo arguments made by Republicans against Medicare for All. Democrats are split on whether the proposal would be a liability in a general election or whether it would boost the party’s hopes of defeating Trump by galvanizing voters.

The survey also tested positive messages for Medicare for All. It showed that 78% of Democrats were swayed by the argument that the U.S. should join the rest of the world in making health care a right. In addition, 70% of primary voters were swayed by the argument that Medicare for All would get rid of out-of-pocket costs for anyone seeking care.

Kessler added that ALG Research has conducted polls for Third Way for many years and that the Biden campaign didn’t request the survey.
(Adds Sanders response in fifth paragraph. A previous version of this article corrected margin to 70% to 21% in second paragraph.)



1 comment:

  1. "Bernie's socialism will destroy your Medicare" is Trump's much-ridiculed line of attack. Biden's messaging is apparently the same.

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