Maybe we should put punching fascists on the back burner for a while and spend more time punching a corporation like Time-Warner instead .....
While the largely anarchist base of antifa has little regard for free speech niceties, there are some groups on the Marxist left that see things the same way.... If [Ann Coulter] had gone ahead and spoken on the originally scheduled date, would this have prompted antifa to organize (or disorganize) the same kind of adventure that made Milo Yiannopoulos appear as a victim, so much so that he earned a spot on the Bill Maher show where his repugnant ideas reached millions?..... Louis Proyect, Elderly Marxist with deep aversion to dictatorships, particularly those representing themselves as socialist.And so it goes, as I've been expecting. Some guy on facebook supported the tactics of some in Antifa by comparing them to John Brown and calling liberals who call for free speech racists. While many Antifa people are being selective in focusing in Nazis, who is to stop any self-declared person looking for an excuse to bash heads from jumping in? And then there is the branding of people like the dirty liberals who may decide to stand up against Nazis in their own way?
And watching the sectrarian left over time, where when you put 3 people in a room you end up with 4 groups, gives me no confidence the left can every unite in a way to control this - especially variants in the anarchist wing which might verbally attack liberals/progressives/leftists as they do Nazis. As I've been saying, some of the actions of people on the left have caused me and others to question those who say capitalism is the problem but offer few realistic alternatives for this nation. I'm going to post some of my personal examples of experiences over the years where I disagreed with some of the tactics and was branded as a red-baiter, which I am sure some people may attempt to do here, ie, there are groups at the AFT which ally themselves with Antifa - and are the only ones at times running against Randi and Unity on the national level - which makes the actions of our leftist allies in UCORE curious given their lack of presence in opposition to Randi on the national level, thus in essence leaving the opposition in the AFT to be Antifa-like. (I do continue to work with some of them and so need to be circumspect.)
Note this comment from the article below by Proyect:
Even within anarchist ranks, there have been indications that offensive speakers must be silenced even when they are anarchists themselves. At a 2014 conference held at Portland State University, members of the audience tried to shout down Kristian Williams, an anarchist author who had made statements agreeing with Laura Kipnis about “sexual paranoia” coming to campus. At least they didn’t punch him in the face.And another:
When it comes to the question of “free speech for fascists”, Marxism and the ACLU part ways. For free speech absolutists, protesting fascist events would likely be considered out of bounds but for Marxists there is an obligation to confront fascist rallies and meetings on a principled basis. For example, the students at Berkeley made the right choice to show up on the doorstep of the Student Union where Yiannopoulos was scheduled to speak. If their numbers were so massive that it would have been impossible to get inside the building, that would have been just fine. Instead what happened was a small group of antifa dictated tactics that made it easy for the entire protest to be stigmatized as violating democratic rights.Some are supporting Antifa by using satire - a funny piece by Dale Pearson
When you work at something for years, really taking the time to master it, you expect a little bit of recognition. So that’s why what’s happening right now in America is really getting under my skin: I am sick of busting my ass doing neo-Nazi stuff only to have masked Antifa dipshits swoop in and get credit as the real fascists.http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/im-sick-busting-my-ass-doing-neo-nazi-stuff-only-h-6597#1
Let me break down just how unjust this is. Me and my friends have worked hard for years to promote white supremacy, nationalism, and eugenics. We’ve cyber-stalked feminists. We’ve burnt crosses. We’ve harassed queers in the light of day. And yet, these Antifa dorks, many of whom aren’t even fucking white, break a few windows in Berkeley and get called fascists by as many, if not more, people online as we do?
Un-fucking-believable!
These Antifa momma’s boys bought ski masks and baseball bats from whatever big-box store they shop at. I, a real, self-respecting fascist, spent the last 15 years painstakingly putting together a historically accurate SS uniform that I wear whenever I participate in any and all activities meant to usher in the Fourth Reich....
Read more at:
I’m Sick Of Busting My Ass Doing Neo-Nazi Stuff Only To Have Some Masked Antifa Dweebs Get Credit As The Real Fascists
This is satire but doesn't get into the weeds of the implications of Antifa actions.
Louis Proyect bills himself as an "Elderly Marxist with deep aversion to dictatorships, particularly those representing themselves as socialist." @LouisProyect1
I've read some of his posts before where he focuses on some of the behavior on the left. For those of us in the wilderness who are not true believers in socialism nor capitalism, reading a wide variety of left critics of the left (like Ethan Young) can be illuminating. Or confusing. I have more to post on this issue from Peter Farruggio and some responses. Meanwhile check this out from Louis Proyect, who I imagine will join Noam Chomsky: Antifa is a 'major gift to the Right... and Chris Hedges - How ‘Antifa’ Mirrors the ‘Alt-Right... as racist "enemies of the people" because they are critical.
Proyect shows us the differences between activists defending themselves against fascists with this story - which I can support the response.
there was a massive protest against fascist leader Gerald L.K. Smith’s talk in Minneapolis on August 21, 1946. When trade unionists began marching toward the hotel where it was supposed to be held, Smith’s goons attempted to break up their line. This led to a pitched battle that moved inside the hotel with chairs flying everywhere until the fascists were routed. It is important to note that this march was organized by trade union leaders who had been democratically elected by the ranks. This was a time before the witch-hunt had taken its toll. It is the model for the kind of movement we need today, one based on accountability, transparency and democracy—something sorely missing from the antifa adventurism.Sadly, too many people on the left have jumped on the Antifa bandwagon without giving careful thought. They skip the organizing and go right to the rallies. If someone gets killed they have a cause.
By the way -- see if you can count how many people with masks are white.
Here Proyect talks about the long-term impact of progressives cheering the silencing of the right and how easy it will be to turn that against the left.
https://louisproyect.org/2017/08/27/no-platform-for-fascists/
August 27, 2017